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Dealing with spam in this forum

Clinton Gormley-3
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Glen Smith
Can you make this post "sticky"?

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 2:36:44 PM UTC-4, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Paul Brown
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Hi, Clinton --

May I suggest:

- Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs.  This is not a problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of blame at Google Groups.

- Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly admit new users.  (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)

- Banning is ineffective.  Spammers will continuously sign up with new accounts.

-- Paul



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On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Patrick Proniewski
Hi,

I do agree with Paul, 200%.
I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

On 2 juil. 2014, at 08:18, Paul Brown <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi, Clinton --
>
> May I suggest:
>
> - Some users (e.g., me) who read this list via an email subscription regard
> ANY spam on the list as an unacceptable state of affairs.  This is not a
> problem with Apache lists, for example, so I would point the finger of
> blame at Google Groups.
>
> - Having N longstanding members who are willing to help ban spammers is
> equivalent to having N longstanding members who are willing to quickly
> admit new users.  (And you're welcome to add me as N+1.)
>
> - Banning is ineffective.  Spammers will continuously sign up with new
> accounts.
>
> -- Paul
>
>
> --
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>
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Clinton Gormley <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's
>> filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a
>> moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the
>> following reasons:
>>
>> We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom
>> are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as
>> soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In
>> contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So
>> making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy
>> handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are
>> a small minority on this list.
>>
>> Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with
>> banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe,
>> who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the
>> parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody
>> will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too
>> tiresome.
>>
>> This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to
>> email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active
>> member of this list to be included.
>>
>> If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider
>> moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it,
>> and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.
>>
>> Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Clinton Gormley-2
I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this decision later on.

clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

mooky
I fall on the side of caring less about spam emails (since I have decent spam filter on my email) and would rate easy access to the group much higher.
I tend to add/remove myself from groups all the time - so adding a delay to adding myself to a group with be a big PITA for me.

-M


On Wednesday, 2 July 2014 11:34:05 UTC+1, Clinton Gormley wrote:
I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.

That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I was unaware of.

I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.

Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this decision later on.

clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Jack Park-2
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The behavior in my gmail-operated spam filter has been to toss out
lots of emails from this list as false positives. So, I keep sending
them back to my in box; pretty soon, gmail asks me to forward the good
ones to them to study, so I do. The result of that is that they catch
NONE of those spams.  They also don't put enough information in the
header to allow me to see if all those spams come from the same IP
address. Otherwise, it might be possible for the group list to block
certain IP addresses.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Clinton Gormley <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> I've received in my mailbox at least 49 spams just for the 06/30. I won't
>> call this "a few spam email". I'm subscribed for years on many mailing
>> lists, and I'm pretty sure that it would take years to get as much spam on
>> those lists as I get in 1 day on ES mailing list.
>
>
> That's interesting... I'd only seen three spam emails, so I wondered where
> you got 49 from. I read the posts from my gmail account, so then I checked
> my spam folder and sure enough there were a lot more emails in there that I
> was unaware of.
>
> I'm going to disable my spam filter for this group so that I get more
> visibility, and I'd ask other moderators to do the same.
>
> Let's see how it goes for a while longer. We can always revisit this
> decision later on.
>
> clint
>>
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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Sudhakar Chokkalingam
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One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Mark Walkom
You're better off starting a new thread around this :)


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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam <[hidden email]> wrote:
One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Ivan Brusic
I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan


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You're better off starting a new thread around this :)


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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam <[hidden email]> wrote:
One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Lukáš Vlček
Ivan,

I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch Linkedin group (https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=3393294&trk=anet_ug_hm) could be more logical target for job postings.

Lukas


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan


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You're better off starting a new thread around this :)


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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam <[hidden email]> wrote:
One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Mark Walkom
I agree with Ivan and Lukas, though recruiters with ES related jobs should be ok as long as it's not a generic BCC like the ones Ivan deleted.

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On 2 August 2014 05:05, Lukáš Vlček <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ivan,

I would not care much if the frequency is low but I think Elasticsearch Linkedin group (https://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=3393294&trk=anet_ug_hm) could be more logical target for job postings.

Lukas


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Ivan Brusic <[hidden email]> wrote:
I just deleted a couple of non-related job postings and banned the poster.

Going forward, is there a consensus among the community about whether or not job postings should be allowed? I do not mind postings that come directly from companies, especially those whose existing developers are already part of the community. Recruiters on the other hand perhaps should not allowed. Of course, the job postings must be Elasticsearch related, and not simply a buzzword in the overall tech stack.

This mailing list has not seen any yet, but they will appear eventually.

Thoughts?

Ivan


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Mark Walkom <[hidden email]> wrote:
You're better off starting a new thread around this :)


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On 25 July 2014 04:01, Sudhakar Chokkalingam <[hidden email]> wrote:
One help, i am new user to elastic search ..like to know the recommended java version for the elastic search 1.1.0

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 1:36:44 PM UTC-5, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

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The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Gavin Seng

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:
* What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
* Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:
The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

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I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:
* What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
* Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:
The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Aaron Mefford
I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today.  It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply.  I blame Google.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:
I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="twuklpb_6roJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">seng....@...> wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:
* What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
* Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:
The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Gavin Seng

Mark, thanks for checking.

My posts did show up in the end ... I got an email from google about 18 hours later!! ... and all my re-postings all showed up (had to go delete all the duplicates).

Gavin

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 5:32:40 PM UTC-4, [hidden email] wrote:
I saw a similar thing happen yesterday, and the post then appeared today.  It was not a new thread in this case but instead a reply.  I blame Google.

On Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31:53 PM UTC-6, Mark Walkom wrote:
I have had a look through the backend and cannot see these threads at all.

On 12 March 2015 at 13:44, Gavin Seng <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

What is the current policy on this?

I just tried creating 2 new posts ... they showed up for awhile ... and then disappeared. I thought that it could be because I did inline pictures ... so I tried reposting and got the same result.

Not sure if they're in a "to be moderated" bucket ... or googles spam filter just deleted them.

The posts had these subjects:
* What is a reasonable number of evictions for filter_cache and fielddata?
* Are long queues in management threadpool a problem?

Thanks,
Gavin

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 4:56:54 AM UTC-5, nodexy wrote:
The first post should be approved .


On Wednesday, July 2, 2014 2:36:44 AM UTC+8, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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Re: Dealing with spam in this forum

Ivan Brusic
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Does the new mailing list have moderators to deal with spam?

Cheers,

Ivan

Hi all

Recently we've had a few spam emails that have made it through Google's filters, and there have been a calls for us to change to a moderate-first-post policy. I am reluctant to adopt this policy for the following reasons:

We get about 30 new users every day from all over the world, many of whom are early in their learning phase and are quite stuck - they need help as soon as possible. Fortunately this list is very active and helpful. In contrast, we've only ever banned 34 users from the list for spamming.  So making new users wait for timezones to swing their way feels like a heavy handed solution to a small problem. Yes, spammers are annoying but they are a small minority on this list.

Instead, we have asked 10 of our long standing members to help us with banning spammers.  This way we have Spam Guardians active around the globe, who only need to do something if a spammer raises their ugly head above the parapet. One or two spam emails may get through, but hopefully somebody will leap into action and stop their activity before it becomes too tiresome.

This isn't an exclusive list. If you would like to be on it, feel free to email me.  Note: I expect you to be a long standing and currently active member of this list to be included. 

If this solution doesn't solve the problem, then we can reconsider moderate-first-post, but we've managed to go 5 years without requiring it, and I'd prefer to keep things as easy as possible for new users.

Clint

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