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What is the default replication policy in Elasticsearch?  Does it push changes to replicas asynchronously or synchronously? Or does it use different mode with different operations. 

asynchronous replication

By default, the index operation only returns after all shards within the replication group have indexed the document (sync replication).

Elasticsearch is distributed. When documents are created, updated or deleted, the new version of the document has to be replicated to other nodes in the cluster. Elasticsearch is also asynchronous and concurrent



This book Ealsticsearch Definitive Guide, states under 'Creating, indexing and deleting' that "...default value for replication is synchronous".  When discussing 'update' API it is stated that "...these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously...."



https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-definitive-guide/blob/master/040_Distributed_CRUD/15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc
replication

*** The default value for replication is sync. This causes the primary shard to wait for successful responses from the replica shards before returning.




Document based replication

When a primary shard forwards changes to its replica shards, it doesn’t forward the update request. Instead it forwards the new version of the full document. ***Remember that these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously and there is no guarantee that they will arrive in the same order that they were sent.

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Re: ES default - async or sync

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Hiya

OK I see where the confusion is coming in.  I used the word asynchronously in slightly different contexts there.  I will try to reword in the Definitive Guide.

Replication is sync by default, in other words: the primary waits for indexing to happen on the replica before it returns to the user.  That said, lots of these processes happen at the same time, so sending the document to the replica is asynchronous.  It doesn't send a change then wait for the response before sending the next one.  This all happens in parallel.

Does that make it clearer?


On 7 September 2014 03:38, daa qqu <[hidden email]> wrote:
What is the default replication policy in Elasticsearch?  Does it push changes to replicas asynchronously or synchronously? Or does it use different mode with different operations. 

asynchronous replication

By default, the index operation only returns after all shards within the replication group have indexed the document (sync replication).

Elasticsearch is distributed. When documents are created, updated or deleted, the new version of the document has to be replicated to other nodes in the cluster. Elasticsearch is also asynchronous and concurrent



This book Ealsticsearch Definitive Guide, states under 'Creating, indexing and deleting' that "...default value for replication is synchronous".  When discussing 'update' API it is stated that "...these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously...."



https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-definitive-guide/blob/master/040_Distributed_CRUD/15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc
replication

*** The default value for replication is sync. This causes the primary shard to wait for successful responses from the replica shards before returning.




Document based replication

When a primary shard forwards changes to its replica shards, it doesn’t forward the update request. Instead it forwards the new version of the full document. ***Remember that these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously and there is no guarantee that they will arrive in the same order that they were sent.

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Re: ES default - async or sync

daa qqu
Wow! Straight from the author.  Thank you Clinton!! Makes sense now.


On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Clinton Gormley <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hiya

OK I see where the confusion is coming in.  I used the word asynchronously in slightly different contexts there.  I will try to reword in the Definitive Guide.

Replication is sync by default, in other words: the primary waits for indexing to happen on the replica before it returns to the user.  That said, lots of these processes happen at the same time, so sending the document to the replica is asynchronous.  It doesn't send a change then wait for the response before sending the next one.  This all happens in parallel.

Does that make it clearer?


On 7 September 2014 03:38, daa qqu <[hidden email]> wrote:
What is the default replication policy in Elasticsearch?  Does it push changes to replicas asynchronously or synchronously? Or does it use different mode with different operations. 

asynchronous replication

By default, the index operation only returns after all shards within the replication group have indexed the document (sync replication).

Elasticsearch is distributed. When documents are created, updated or deleted, the new version of the document has to be replicated to other nodes in the cluster. Elasticsearch is also asynchronous and concurrent



This book Ealsticsearch Definitive Guide, states under 'Creating, indexing and deleting' that "...default value for replication is synchronous".  When discussing 'update' API it is stated that "...these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously...."



https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-definitive-guide/blob/master/040_Distributed_CRUD/15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc
replication

*** The default value for replication is sync. This causes the primary shard to wait for successful responses from the replica shards before returning.




Document based replication

When a primary shard forwards changes to its replica shards, it doesn’t forward the update request. Instead it forwards the new version of the full document. ***Remember that these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously and there is no guarantee that they will arrive in the same order that they were sent.

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Re: ES default - async or sync

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Hi Clinton,

Is using async NOT recommonded? The Definitive Guild says, "This option is mentioned specifically to advise against using it. The default sync replication allows Elasticsearch to exert back pressure on whatever system is feeding it with data. With async replication, it is possible to overload Elasticsearch by sending too many requests without waiting for their completion."

Also, if the indexes has not being updated in the replica, could the query only be sent to the replica and elasticsearch return not found?


On Sunday, 7 September 2014 04:31:30 UTC-4, Clinton Gormley wrote:
Hiya

OK I see where the confusion is coming in.  I used the word asynchronously in slightly different contexts there.  I will try to reword in the Definitive Guide.

Replication is sync by default, in other words: the primary waits for indexing to happen on the replica before it returns to the user.  That said, lots of these processes happen at the same time, so sending the document to the replica is asynchronous.  It doesn't send a change then wait for the response before sending the next one.  This all happens in parallel.

Does that make it clearer?


On 7 September 2014 03:38, daa qqu <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="rucr6kBaM9cJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">daa...@...> wrote:
What is the default replication policy in Elasticsearch?  Does it push changes to replicas asynchronously or synchronously? Or does it use different mode with different operations. 

<a href="http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/reference/current/docs-index_.html#index-replication" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elasticsearch.org%2Fguide%2Fen%2Felasticsearch%2Freference%2Fcurrent%2Fdocs-index_.html%23index-replication\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGrEX7HLPtJc4wrMQGwimub1BXepg';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elasticsearch.org%2Fguide%2Fen%2Felasticsearch%2Freference%2Fcurrent%2Fdocs-index_.html%23index-replication\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGrEX7HLPtJc4wrMQGwimub1BXepg';return true;">asynchronous replication

By default, the index operation only returns after all shards within the replication group have indexed the document (sync replication).

<a href="http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/en/elasticsearch/guide/current/optimistic-concurrency-control.html#optimistic-concurrency-control" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elasticsearch.org%2Fguide%2Fen%2Felasticsearch%2Fguide%2Fcurrent%2Foptimistic-concurrency-control.html%23optimistic-concurrency-control\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEgKagDvqNw4oP7Ez8opr7_msAlGw';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elasticsearch.org%2Fguide%2Fen%2Felasticsearch%2Fguide%2Fcurrent%2Foptimistic-concurrency-control.html%23optimistic-concurrency-control\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNEgKagDvqNw4oP7Ez8opr7_msAlGw';return true;">optimistic concurrency control
Elasticsearch is distributed. When documents are created, updated or deleted, the new version of the document has to be replicated to other nodes in the cluster. Elasticsearch is also asynchronous and concurrent



This book Ealsticsearch Definitive Guide, states under 'Creating, indexing and deleting' that "...default value for replication is synchronous".  When discussing 'update' API it is stated that "...these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously...."



<a href="https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-definitive-guide/blob/master/040_Distributed_CRUD/15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Felasticsearch%2Felasticsearch-definitive-guide%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2F040_Distributed_CRUD%2F15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHsoAHEFgsXpIFsDPWv3vbpxjLjYQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Felasticsearch%2Felasticsearch-definitive-guide%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2F040_Distributed_CRUD%2F15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNHsoAHEFgsXpIFsDPWv3vbpxjLjYQ';return true;">https://github.com/elasticsearch/elasticsearch-definitive-guide/blob/master/040_Distributed_CRUD/15_Create_index_delete.asciidoc
replication

*** The default value for replication is sync. This causes the primary shard to wait for successful responses from the replica shards before returning.


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Document based replication

When a primary shard forwards changes to its replica shards, it doesn’t forward the update request. Instead it forwards the new version of the full document. ***Remember that these changes are forwarded to the replica shards asynchronously and there is no guarantee that they will arrive in the same order that they were sent.

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