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Tim S
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Ivan Brusic
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.


On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="WnEXvRFPx7QJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">tims...@...> wrote:
I notice that <a href="https://github.com/bleskes/sense" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;">https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Ivan Brusic
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Boaz Leskes
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that <a href="https://github.com/bleskes/sense" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;">https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Itamar Syn-Hershko
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

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http://code972.com | @synhershko
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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Nicholas Summerlin
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

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http://code972.com | @synhershko
Freelance Developer & Consultant


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Mark Walkom
+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
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email: [hidden email]
web: www.campaignmonitor.com


On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

--
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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

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http://code972.com | @synhershko
Freelance Developer & Consultant


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: [hidden email]
web: www.campaignmonitor.com


On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

--
Nick



On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

Itamar Syn-Hershko
http://code972.com | @synhershko
Freelance Developer & Consultant


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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Here is how you do it now:

tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
open _site/sense/index.html


On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon <[hidden email]> wrote:

Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: [hidden email]
web: www.campaignmonitor.com


On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

--
Nick



On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

Itamar Syn-Hershko
http://code972.com | @synhershko
Freelance Developer & Consultant


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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The Chrome plugin integration (or other x-platform executable of any kind) is a quick road to success which you really want to have with Sense. Requiring a Marvel download kinda beats this purpose.

And doing wget && tar && open isn't x-platform, nor easy.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Shay Banon <[hidden email]> wrote:
Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: [hidden email]
web: www.campaignmonitor.com


On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

--
Nick



On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

Itamar Syn-Hershko
http://code972.com | @synhershko
Freelance Developer & Consultant


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

-- 
Ivan


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

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@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg


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I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.



On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg


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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to object).

When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with the many projects we created).

Regarding Marvel:

- You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
- You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic <[hidden email]> wrote:

I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.



On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg



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Hi, 
  Since Marvel requires a license for production usage, does this mean in order to use the Marvel bundled Sense against a production instance requires you to buy a license? 

I just got out of a meeting where I told a bunch of people to go download sense off the chrome store. Whoops :) 

Thanks!
Paul

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to object).

When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with the many projects we created).

Regarding Marvel:

- You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
- You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="DGYnaLAeIHcJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">iv...@...> wrote:

I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="DGYnaLAeIHcJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">tims...@...> wrote:
@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.



On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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People can try and use marvel and thus sense for free in their dev environment. If they want to use it with a production cluster they need a license for that cluster. It doesn't matter how many developers are using it.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM, ppearcy <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi, 
  Since Marvel requires a license for production usage, does this mean in order to use the Marvel bundled Sense against a production instance requires you to buy a license? 

I just got out of a meeting where I told a bunch of people to go download sense off the chrome store. Whoops :) 

Thanks!
Paul

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to object).

When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with the many projects we created).

Regarding Marvel:

- You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
- You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic <iv...@...> wrote:

I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


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@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.



On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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If it is a matter of paying for Sense, I would vote for a paid chrome extension at a reasonable price so people who need sense can purchase it independently from marvell

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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This worked perfectly (except the "open" bit since my Konsole's file handling isn't quite set up).

Worth putting these instructions on the sense repo, Boaz? Obviously with note wrt Marvel usage on production clusters, just link to http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/marvel/ . The news it's rolled into Marvel is already there.

I am introducing somebody to ES, I'd really rather that they didn't simply use Postman or similar REST clients just yet. The worst part of my initial ES learning curve was exactly that, learning to construct the query and mapping objects correctly and learning what goes where when I wanted something done quickly. The learning process could have been sped up significantly by the Sense autocompletion feature.

+1 on that it's not x-platform, but as it's part of a commercial product now it's up to the ES team to decide how much time they can dedicate to packaging this tool neatly outside of that product.

Greetings,
Emanuil

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:22:23 AM UTC+1, kimchy wrote:
Here is how you do it now:

wget <a href="https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.elasticsearch.org%2Felasticsearch%2Fmarvel%2Fmarvel-latest.tar.gz\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGh8jY3BsslcfAzBUcp55Wo1JQFMg';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.elasticsearch.org%2Felasticsearch%2Fmarvel%2Fmarvel-latest.tar.gz\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGh8jY3BsslcfAzBUcp55Wo1JQFMg';return true;">https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
open _site/sense/index.html


On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">kim...@...> wrote:

Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">ma...@...> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

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On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">nicholas....@...> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">ita...@...> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">b.le...@...> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">tims...@...> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that <a href="https://github.com/bleskes/sense" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;">https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Boaz Leskes
Hi Emanuil,

Indeed one of the things Senses does well is help you get started with ES. I'd argue that for someone new, there is nothing simpler than just installing a plugin on their dev setup. Actually, with Marvel they will also gain some other insights into what's going on.

Btw - Marvel is also packed as a zip which anyone can get by pointing a browser at https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.zip (which is documented) , unpack it using whatever and open the html files.


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Emanuil Tolev <[hidden email]> wrote:
This worked perfectly (except the "open" bit since my Konsole's file handling isn't quite set up).

Worth putting these instructions on the sense repo, Boaz? Obviously with note wrt Marvel usage on production clusters, just link to http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/marvel/ . The news it's rolled into Marvel is already there.

I am introducing somebody to ES, I'd really rather that they didn't simply use Postman or similar REST clients just yet. The worst part of my initial ES learning curve was exactly that, learning to construct the query and mapping objects correctly and learning what goes where when I wanted something done quickly. The learning process could have been sped up significantly by the Sense autocompletion feature.

+1 on that it's not x-platform, but as it's part of a commercial product now it's up to the ES team to decide how much time they can dedicate to packaging this tool neatly outside of that product.

Greetings,
Emanuil


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:22:23 AM UTC+1, kimchy wrote:
Here is how you do it now:

tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
open _site/sense/index.html


On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon <[hidden email]> wrote:

Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

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On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <[hidden email]> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S <[hidden email]> wrote:
I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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