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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Otis Gospodnetic
Hi,

Couldn't Boaz go in and just add the LICENSE to his old Sense Github repo now and solve the license part of the problem?

Otis


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to object).

When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with the many projects we created).

Regarding Marvel:

- You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
- You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="DGYnaLAeIHcJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">iv...@...> wrote:

I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="DGYnaLAeIHcJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">tims...@...> wrote:
@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.



On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Andy Brudtkuhl
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+1 on everything. I use Sense daily and really hope it stays independent. It's a great tool for testing queries and demoing ES to others with no friction.

On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:37:27 AM UTC-5, Tim S wrote:
I notice that <a href="https://github.com/bleskes/sense" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;">https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

jrizzi1
What this essentially does is limit a developer's options

I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told them there was no cost, open-source

Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM if we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal app to a department of 100 or less users

If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license, department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out as an option , and gone with SOLR instead
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

AlexR
Well, this is perhaps a too strong of a statement. AFAIK SOLR does not have any comparable front-end and not many would abandon elastic because marvel is a commercial product. 

I respect Elastic team trying to monetize its product(s) and do it in a rather nice way. So I would be perfectly happy paying for Sense. Make Sense available for purchase as a separate product (perhaps with two licenses development/personal and corporate) for a reasonable price on chrome marketplace or elsewhere. I would say many developers would be happy to pay the price and if a corporation needs it it can license a bunch as well. It could still be free when bundled inside of Marvel on DEV boxes... 
 
Tying it to marvel definitely reduce choices and creates inconveniences hiding this very useful product that can excel on its own merits. I doubt it will help dramatically in selling marvel (which will hopefully be a success due to its own value)

 

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, jrizzi1 wrote:
What this essentially does is limit a developer's options

I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told them
there was no cost, open-source

Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM if
we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal app
to a department of 100 or less users

If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it
would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license,
department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out as
an option , and gone with SOLR instead



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Ivan Brusic
Just playing the devil's advocate, but Lucidworks, the main commercial entity behind Solr, also has numerous paid closed-source offerings: http://www.lucidworks.com/lucidworks-search/

As great as Sense is, it would not be a deal breaker if it was not available publicly. I used Elasticsearch for years before Sense was ever released! There are many other options out there and I would not be surprised if someone open-sourced yet another great tool.

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:58 AM, AlexR <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, this is perhaps a too strong of a statement. AFAIK SOLR does not have any comparable front-end and not many would abandon elastic because marvel is a commercial product. 

I respect Elastic team trying to monetize its product(s) and do it in a rather nice way. So I would be perfectly happy paying for Sense. Make Sense available for purchase as a separate product (perhaps with two licenses development/personal and corporate) for a reasonable price on chrome marketplace or elsewhere. I would say many developers would be happy to pay the price and if a corporation needs it it can license a bunch as well. It could still be free when bundled inside of Marvel on DEV boxes... 
 
Tying it to marvel definitely reduce choices and creates inconveniences hiding this very useful product that can excel on its own merits. I doubt it will help dramatically in selling marvel (which will hopefully be a success due to its own value)

 

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, jrizzi1 wrote:
What this essentially does is limit a developer's options

I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told them
there was no cost, open-source

Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM if
we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal app
to a department of 100 or less users

If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it
would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license,
department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out as
an option , and gone with SOLR instead



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

jrizzi1
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Its not about abandoning, it applies more to getting started, which is what we just did last month.

There is literally no way I would have been able to get a working Elasticsearch solution with advanced mappings and multiple plugins without using sense, and did so within a short timeframe, but my development time would’ve been throttled by the additional hurdles of license approval and cost if we were faced with them on project kickoff.

I understand monetizing products, but the argument that marvel is “free” for development use should read “free for development use, and you have to dismiss a popup everytime you open that asks you to buy”

I also know I’m probably preaching to the choir, its just a real downer as we are in deployment to production as I am writing,  and have to either roll with no Sense  plugin on that machine, or delay production deployment while licensing and sales meeting/costs are sorted out
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Ivan Brusic


On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:27 AM, jrizzi1 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Its not about abandoning, it applies more to getting started, which is what
we just did last month.

There is literally no way I would have been able to get a working
Elasticsearch solution with advanced mappings and multiple plugins without
using sense, and did so within a short timeframe, but my development time
would’ve been throttled by the additional hurdles of license approval and
cost if we were faced with them on project kickoff.

I understand monetizing products, but the argument that marvel is “free” for
development use should read “free for development use, and you have to
dismiss a popup everytime you open that asks you to buy”

I also know I’m probably preaching to the choir, its just a real downer as
we are in deployment to production as I am writing,  and have to either roll
with no Sense  plugin on that machine, or delay production deployment while
licensing and sales meeting/costs are sorted out




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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Lance A. Brown
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This does not work unless you load the index.html from a machine running an elasticsearch node.

I just tried downloading the latest zip file on my desktop machine, unzipped the file, loaded _site/sense/index.html and hit an "No 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. Origin 'https://host.example.org' is therefore not allowed access." cross site scripting error.

I'm quite disappointed to find that Sense has moved into Marvel. I'd much prefer it as a standalone app or Chrome extension.

--[Lance]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:22:23 AM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
Here is how you do it now:

wget <a href="https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.elasticsearch.org%2Felasticsearch%2Fmarvel%2Fmarvel-latest.tar.gz\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGh8jY3BsslcfAzBUcp55Wo1JQFMg';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fdownload.elasticsearch.org%2Felasticsearch%2Fmarvel%2Fmarvel-latest.tar.gz\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGh8jY3BsslcfAzBUcp55Wo1JQFMg';return true;">https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
open _site/sense/index.html


On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">kim...@...> wrote:

Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">ma...@...> wrote:

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

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On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">nicholas....@...> wrote:
I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">ita...@...> wrote:
Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="S89zrqjJHSwJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">b.le...@...> wrote:
Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.

Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to use it i.e. what licence it is.



On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions apply: <a href="http://choosealicense.com/no-license/" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fchoosealicense.com%2Fno-license%2F\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGz8YKo5er5nyOrnCtJFCG8VoVm2Q';return true;">http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

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I notice that <a href="https://github.com/bleskes/sense" target="_blank" onmousedown="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='https://www.google.com/url?q\75https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fbleskes%2Fsense\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFCPeTjbW78ZWBP8RdtA-pgURQTlQ';return true;">https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Patrick Proniewski
On 28 avr. 2014, at 22:05, Lance A. Brown wrote:

> This does not work unless you load the index.html from a machine running an
> elasticsearch node.

Works for me.


> I just tried downloading the latest zip file on my desktop machine,
> unzipped the file, loaded _site/sense/index.html and hit an "No
> 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource.
> Origin 'https://host.example.org <https://omni.inetu.org/>' is therefore
> not allowed access." cross site scripting error.

Looks like a browser-side error to me. It won't work out of the box in Chrome, but in my (old) Safari it works great.


> I'm quite disappointed to find that Sense has moved into Marvel. I'd much
> prefer it as a standalone app or Chrome extension.

I do agree.

> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:22:23 AM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>>
>> Here is how you do it now:
>>
>> wget
>> https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
>> tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
>> open _site/sense/index.html

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Joshua Worden
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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Likewise, I've been trying these past three days, with starts and stops, to get going with Elasticsearch as an evaluation.  All the good samples on the web expect you use cURL or Sense.  My local install of cURL cannot resolve localhost and doesn't like single quotes and I battled that and gave up.  So I sought out this "Sense", and found it was gone from the chrome store.  I've been struggling with varying success to use Advanced Rest Client in Chrome instead.  I'm not a url or rest services genius.  I was about to throw my hands up and walk away, relegating this whole thing as not cooked enough to waste time with, and maybe go tinker with MongoDB instead, until I found THIS THREAD. 

It just seems that this venture is suffering from rapid growth and reorg and the absorption of the various independent efforts and crucial GitHub projects.  Nest --> becomes --> Elasticsearch.Net for instance, in some obscure blog entry, just a few weeks ago apparently.  

While the various key add on tech is being co-opted by Elasticsearch itself, the story from a new potential user and customer perspective is fractured.  Sharded, if you will.   

I see the promise here, but it's somewhat obscured with fog right now.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Ivan Brusic

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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@mromagnoli
Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="hYnpHBfYSPgJ" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">marce.r...@...> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

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I appreciate that you folks at ElasticSearch are committed to maintaining Sense. I've installed the Marvel plugin and there's a lot of bloat associated with this product.  I have had new indices added by Marvel everyday since my installation. For those of us who just want to use Sense, having to install the Marvel product and have our disk space sucked up by Marvel (for features that are not needed in my case) is not the best solution.  I wish I could just install Sense w/o having everything else forced upon me.  Hopefully this will be an option in the future.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Damien Alexandre
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About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?


Also,
this is a great example of why one should always set a license when publishing code :P

Damien


On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Boaz Leskes
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?

We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to hear it if you have a suggestion!


Cheers,
Boaz


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre <[hidden email]> wrote:
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?


Also,
this is a great example of why one should always set a license when publishing code :P

Damien


On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Damien Alexandre
Ok,

so here is what I wanted to suggest: every query could have a "Validate & explain" link in the little dropdown:


Just under "Auto indent". And as you can guess, it call "POST /yolo/_validate/query?explain" with my query!
This _validate/?explain endpoint is really a powerful tool to debug queries and I think it deserve more visibility.

That's it :)

Thank for you answer,
Damien


On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:54:26 PM UTC+2, Boaz Leskes wrote:
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?

We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to hear it if you have a suggestion!


Cheers,
Boaz


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="yPfqme3RTO8J" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">dalex...@...> wrote:
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?


Also,
this is a great example of why one should always set a license when publishing code :P

Damien


On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

Boaz Leskes
Hi Demian,

Thx for the suggestion. The tricky part is that it will be search specific, so we'd need to extend the action menu to be request sensitive. It also means we'd need to walk all request and decides what makes sense there. I think it's has merit but will require work to implement.

Cheers,
Boaz

PS - Sense will suggest "explain" as part of the url params suggestions.

PPS - if you want continue discussing this - can you please open another thread on it , so it will get a proper place?


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Damien Alexandre <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok,

so here is what I wanted to suggest: every query could have a "Validate & explain" link in the little dropdown:


Just under "Auto indent". And as you can guess, it call "POST /yolo/_validate/query?explain" with my query!
This _validate/?explain endpoint is really a powerful tool to debug queries and I think it deserve more visibility.

That's it :)

Thank for you answer,
Damien


On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:54:26 PM UTC+2, Boaz Leskes wrote:
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?

We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to hear it if you have a suggestion!


Cheers,
Boaz


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre <[hidden email]> wrote:
About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?


Also,
this is a great example of why one should always set a license when publishing code :P

Damien


On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.

On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" <[hidden email]> wrote:
Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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